Agenda item

Motions for Time Limited Debate

a)               Devolution

 

Miss Carey will propose and Mr Marsh will second:

 

"Kent County Council calls upon central government to devolve more powers and money not just to Scotland but to existing levels of local government at County, district and parish level.  We also call for a transfer of powers from unelected and remote quangos to existing democratically elected bodies.”

 

 

b)              Reduction in the voting age

 

Mr Clark will propose and Mr Bird will second,

 

"This Council supports reducing the voting age to 16 and believe that encouraging participation in the political process is a valuable means of engaging young people in modern society.

 

We recognise the important contribution of 16 and 17 year olds to the recent Scottish Independence referendum and believe that the young people of Kent should also play a role in determining the future of their county and country.

 

Therefore, we propose that the Chairman should write an open letter to the Prime Minister urging him to introduce legislation to reduce the voting age to 16.”

 

 

 

Minutes:

a)            Devolution

 

(1)          Miss Carey moved and Mr Marsh seconded the following motion:

 

“Kent County Council calls upon central government to devolve more powers and money not just to Scotland but to existing levels of local government at county, district and parish level.  We also call for a transfer of powers from unelected and remote quangos to existing democratically elected bodies.”

 

(2)          Dr Eddy moved and Mr Truelove seconded the following amendment:

 

“Kent County Council calls upon Central Government to devolve more powers and finance from central government to appropriate communities across England. We call for a Constitutional Convention as proposed by the Local Government Association, to determine what powers should be devolved in England and to determine the appropriate structure to dispense these powers in a more democratic and accountable way. We also call for a well-planned transfer of power from unelected and remote quangos to democratically elected bodies”

 

(3)          Mr Parry moved and Mr Baldock seconded the procedural motion “that the question be put” and the votes cast were as follows: 

 

For (63)

 

Mrs A Allen, Mr M Angell, Mr D Baker, Mr M Baldock, Mr M Balfour, Mr R Bird, Mr N Bond, Mr A Bowles, Mr D Brazier, Mr R Brookbank, Mr L Burgess, Miss S Carey, Mr P Carter, Mr N Chard, Mr I Chittenden, Mr B Clark, Mrs P Cole, Mr G Cowan, Mrs M Crabtree, Ms J Cribbon, Mr A Crowther, Mrs V Dagger, Mr D Daley, Mr M Dance, Mr J Davies, Mrs T Dean, Dr M Eddy, Mr J Elenor, Mr T Gates, Mr G Gibbens, Mr R Gough, Mr M Harrison, Mr M Heale, Mr M Hill, Mr C Hoare, Mrs S Hohler, Mr S Holden, Mr P Homewood, Mr E Hotson, Ms S Howes, Mr G Koowaree, Mr G Lymer,  Mr S Manion, Mr A Marsh, Mr F McKenna, Mr B Neaves, Mr M Northey, Mr P Oakford, Mr J Ozog, Mr R Parry, Mr C Pearman, Mr L Ridings, Mr J Scholes, Mr T Shonk, Mr C Simkins, Mr J Simmonds, Mr C Smith, Mr B Sweetland, Mr A Terry, Mr M Vye,  Mr M Whybrow, Mr A Wickham, Mrs Z Wiltshire.

 

 

Against (9)

 

Mr H Birkby, Mrs P Brivio, Mr C Caller, Ms A Harrison, Mr R Latchford, Mr T Maddison, Mrs E Rowbotham, Mr W Scobie, Mr N Thandi.

 

Abstain (2)

 

Mrs M Elenor, Mrs P Stockell.

Procedural motion carried

 

(4)          The Chairman then put the amendment outlined in paragraph (2) above to the vote and the votes cast were as follows:

 

For (19)

 

Mr N Bond, Mrs P Brivio, Mr L Burgess, Mr C Caller, Mr G Cowan, Ms J Cribbon, Mr D Daley, Dr M Eddy, Ms A Harrison, Ms S Howes, Mr T Maddison, Mrs E Rowbotham,  Mr W Scobie, Mr T Shonk, Mr D Smyth, Mr A Terry, Mr N Thandi, Mr R Truelove, Mr M Whybrow.

 

Against (55)

 

Mrs A Allen, Mr M Angell, Mr M Baldock, Mr M Balfour, Mr R Bird, Mr H Birkby, Mr A Bowles, Mr D Brazier, Mr R Brookbank, Mr P Carter, Mr N Chard, Mr I Chittenden, Mr B Clark, Mrs P Cole, Mr G Cooke, Mrs M Crabtree, Mr A Crowther, Mrs V Dagger, Mr M Dance, Mr J Davies, Mrs T Dean, Mr J Elenor, Mrs M Elenor, Mr T Gates, Mr G Gibbens, Mr R Gough, Mr M Harrison, Mr M Heale, Mr M Hill, Mr C Hoare, Mrs S Hohler, Mr S Holden, Mr P Homewood, Mr E Hotson, Mr A King, Mr J Kite, Mr R Latchford,  Mr G Lymer, Mr S Manion, Mr A Marsh, Mr F McKenna, Mr B Neaves, Mr M Northey, Mr P Oakford, Mr J Ozog, Mr R Parry, Mr C Pearman, Mr L Ridings, Mr J Scholes, Mr C Simkins, Mr J Simmonds, Mrs P Stockell, Mr B Sweetland, Mr M Vye,  Mr A Wickham.

 

Abstain (5)

 

Mr D Baker, Miss S Carey, Mr G Koowaree, Mr C Smith, Mrs Z Wiltshire.

 

Amendment lost

 

(5)          Mr Vye moved and Mrs Dean seconded the following amendment:

 

“KCC calls upon central government to devolve more powers and budgetary responsibility, not just to Scotland but to existing levels of local government at county, district and parish level, and to restore powers and responsibility taken from these democratically elected authorities, for example under the current academy schools programme. We also call for a transfer of powers from unelected and remote quangos to existing democratically elected bodies.”

 

(6)          Mr Parry moved and Mr Sweetland seconded the procedural motion “that the question be put” and the votes cast were as follows:

 

For (58)

 

Mrs A Allen, Mr M Angell, Mr D Baker,  Mr H Birkby, Mr N Bond, Mr A Bowles, Mr D Brazier, Mrs P Brivio, Mr R Brookbank, Mr L Burgess, Mr C Caller, Miss S Carey, Mr P Carter, Mr N Chard, Mrs P Cole, Mr G Cooke, Mrs M Crabtree, Mr A Crowther, Mrs V Dagger, Mr M Dance, Mr J Davies, Mr J Elenor, Mr T Gates, Mr G Gibbens, Mr R Gough, Ms A Harrison, Mr M  Harrison, Mr M Hill, Mrs S Hohler, Mr S Holden, Mr P Homewood, Mr E Hotson, Ms S Howes, Mr A King, Mr J Kite, Mr R Long, Mr G Lymer, Mr T Maddison, Mr S Manion, Mr A Marsh, Mr F McKenna, Mr M Northey, Mr P Oakford, Mr J Ozog, Mr R Parry, Mr C Pearman, Mr L Ridings, Mrs E Rowbotham, Mr J Scholes, Mr T Shonk, Mr C Simkins, Mr J Simmonds, Mr C Smith, Mr B Sweetland, Mr N Thandi,  Mr M Whybrow, Mr A Wickham, Mrs Z Wiltshire.

 

Against (19)

 

Mr M Baldock, Mr R Bird, Mr I Chittenden, Mr B Clark, Ms J Cribbon, Mr G Cowan, Mr D Daley, Mrs T Dean, Dr M Eddy, Mrs M Elenor, Mr M Heale, Mr C Hoare, Mr G Koowaree, Mr R Latchford, Mr B Neaves, Mr W Scobie, Mr A Terry, Mr R Truelove, Mr M Vye.

 

Abstain (0)

 

Procedural motion carried

 

(7)          The Chairman put the amendment outlined in paragraph (5) above to the vote and the votes cast were as follows:

 

For (17)

 

Mr M Baldock, Mr R Bird, Mr N Bond, Mr L Burgess, Mr I Chittenden, Mr B Clark, Mr D Daley, Mrs T Dean, Mr T Maddison, Mr F McKenna, Mr G Koowaree, Mrs E Rowbotham, Mr W Scobie, Mr T Shonk, Mr A Terry, Mr M Vye, Mr M Whybrow.

 

Against (57)

 

Mrs A Allen, Mr M Angell, Mr D Baker, Mr A Bowles, Mr D Brazier, Mr R Brookbank,  Mr C Caller, Miss S Carey, Mr P Carter, Mr N Chard, Mrs P Cole, Mr G Cooke, Mr G Cowan, Mrs M Crabtree, Ms J Cribbon, Mr A Crowther, Mrs V Dagger, Mr M Dance, Mr J Davies,  Dr M Eddy, Mr J Elenor, Mr T Gates, Mr G Gibbens, Mr R Gough, Ms A Harrison, Mr M Harrison, Mr M Heale, Mr M Hill, Mr C Hoare, Mrs S Hohler, Mr S Holden, Mr P Homewood, Mr E Hotson, Ms S Howes, Mr A King, Mr J Kite, Mr R Latchford, Mr R Long, Mr G Lymer, Mr S Manion, Mr A Marsh, Mr B Neaves, Mr M Northey, Mr P Oakford, Mr J Ozog, Mr R Parry, Mr C Pearman, Mr L Ridings, Mr J Scholes, Mr C Simkins, Mr J Simmonds, Mr C Smith, Mr D Smyth, Mr B Sweetland, Mr N Thandi, Mr R Truelove, Mr A Wickham.

 

Abstain (3)

 

Mr H Birkby, Mrs M Elenor, Mrs Z Wiltshire.

 

Amendment lost

 

(8)          Mr Caller moved and Mr Scobie seconded the procedural motion that “the question be put” in relation to the original motion and the votes cast were as follows: 

 

For (56)

 

Mrs A Allen, Mr M Angell, Mr D Baker, Mr N Bond, Mr A Bowles, Mr R Brookbank, Mr L Burgess, Mr C Caller, Miss S Carey, Mr P Carter, Mr N Chard, Mrs P Cole, Mr G Cooke, Mr G Cowan, Mrs M Crabtree, Ms J Cribbon, Mr A Crowther, Mrs V Dagger, Mr D Daley, Mr M Dance, Dr M Eddy, Mr J Elenor, Mr G Gibbens, Mr R Gough, Ms A Harrison, Mr M Harrison, Mr M Hill, Mrs S Hohler, Mr S Holden, Mr P Homewood, Mr E Hotson, Ms S Howes, Mr J Kite, Mr G Koowaree, Mr R Long, Mr G Lymer, Mr T Maddison, Mr S Manion, Mr A Marsh, Mr M Northey, Mr P Oakford, Mr R Parry, Mr C Pearman, Mr L Ridings, Mrs E Rowbotham, Mr J Scholes, Mr W Scobie, Mr T Shonk, Mr C Simkins, Mr J Simmonds, Mr C Smith, Mr D Smyth, Mr B Sweetland, Mr A Terry, Mr N Thandi, Mr R Truelove.

 

Against (15)

 

Mr M Baldock, Mr R Bird, Mr H Birkby, Mr D Brazier, Mr J Davies, Mrs T Dean, Mrs M Elenor, Mr T Gates, Mr M Heale, Mr C Hoare, Mr R Latchford, Mr F McKenna, Mr B Neaves,  Mr M Whybrow, Mr A Wickham.

 

 

Abstain (2)

 

Mr I Chittenden, Mr B Clark.

Procedural motion carried

 

(9)          The Chairman put the original motion set out in paragraph (1) above to the vote and the votes cast were as follows: 

 

For (77)

 

Mrs A Allen, Mr M Angell, Mr D Baker, Mr M Baldock, Mr R Bird, Mr H Birkby, Mr N Bond, Mr A Bowles, Mr D Brazier, Mrs P Brivio, Mr R Brookbank, Mr L Burgess, Mr C Caller, Miss S Carey, Mr P Carter, Mr N Chard, Mr I Chittenden, Mr B Clark, Mrs P Cole, Mr G Cooke, Mr G Cowan, Mrs M Crabtree, Ms J Cribbon, Mr A Crowther, Mrs V Dagger, Mr D Daley, Mr M Dance, Mr J Davies, Mrs T Dean, Dr M Eddy, Mr T Gates, Mr G Gibbens, Mr R Gough, Ms A Harrison, Mr M Harrison, Mr M Heale, Mr M Hill, Mr C Hoare, Mrs S Hohler, Mr S Holden, Mr P Homewood, Mr E Hotson, Ms S Howes, Mr A King, Mr J Kite, Mr G Koowaree, Mr R Latchford, Mr R Long, Mr G Lymer, Mr T Maddison, Mr S Manion, Mr A Marsh, Mr F McKenna, Mr B Neaves, Mr M Northey, Mr P Oakford, Mr J Ozog, Mr R Parry, Mr C Pearman, Mr L Ridings, Mrs E Rowbotham, Mr J Scholes, Mr W Scobie, Mr T Shonk, Mr C Simkins, Mr J Simmonds, Mr C Smith, Mr D Smyth, Mrs P Stockell, Mr B Sweetland, Mr A Terry, Mr N Thandi, Mr R Truelove, Mr M Vye,  Mr M Whybrow, Mr A Wickham, Mrs Z Wiltshire.

 

Against (1)

 

Mr J Elenor.

 

Abstain (1)

 

Mrs M Elenor.

 

Motion carried

 

(10)       RESOLVED: that Kent County Council calls upon central government to devolve more powers and money not just to Scotland but to existing levels of local government at county, district and parish level.  We also call for a transfer of powers from unelected and remote quangos to existing democratically elected bodies.

 

b)           Reduction in the voting age

 

(1)          Mr Clark moved and Mr Bird seconded the following motion: 

      

"This Council supports reducing the voting age to 16 and believe that encouraging participation in the political process is a valuable means of engaging young people in modern society.

 

We recognise the important contribution of 16 and 17 year olds to the recent Scottish Independence referendum and believe that the young people of Kent should also play a role in determining the future of their county and country.

 

Therefore, we propose that the Chairman should write an open letter to the Prime Minister urging him to introduce legislation to reduce the voting age to 16.”

 

(2)          Following a debate the Chairman put the motion outlined in paragraph (1) above to the vote and the votes cast were as follows:

 

For (56)

 

Mrs A Allen, Mr M Baldock, Mr R Bird, Mr N Bond, Mr A Bowles, Mr D Brazier, Mrs P Brivio, Mr R Brookbank, Mr L Burgess, Mr C Caller, Miss S Carey, Mr P Carter, Mr N Chard, Mr I Chittenden, Mr B Clark, Mrs P Cole, Mr G Cooke, Mr G Cowan, Mrs M Crabtree, Mr A Crowther, Mr D Daley, Mr M Dance, Mr J Davies, Mrs T Dean, Dr M Eddy, Mr T Gates, Mr G Gibbens, Mr R Gough, Ms A Harrison, Mr M Harrison, Mr M Heale, Mr M Hill, Mr S Holden, Mr P Homewood, Mr E Hotson, Ms S Howes, Mr A King, Mr J Kite, Mr G Koowaree, Mr G Lymer, Mr T Maddison, Mr S Manion, Mr A Marsh, Mr M Northey, Mr J Ozog, Mr R Parry, Mr C Pearman, Mr L Ridings, Mr W Scobie, Mr J Simmonds, Mr D Smyth, Mr B Sweetland, Mr N Thandi, Mr R Truelove, Mr M Vye,  Mr M Whybrow.

 

Against (17)                                                                                  

 

Mr M Angell, Mr D Baker, Mr H Birkby, Mr J Elenor, Mrs M Elenor, Mrs V Dagger, Mr C Hoare, Mrs S Hohler, Mr R Long, Mr F McKenna, Mr J Scholes, Mr T Shonk, Mr C Simkins, Mr C Smith, Mr A Terry, Mr A Wickham, Mrs Z Wiltshire.

 

 

Abstain (4)

 

Ms J Cribbon, Mr R Latchford, Mrs E Rowbotham, Mrs P Stockell.

 

Motion carried

 

(3)          RESOLVED: that this Council supports reducing the voting age to 16 and believe that encouraging participation in the political process is a valuable means of engaging young people in modern society.

 

We recognise the important contribution of 16 and 17 year olds to the recent Scottish Independence referendum and believe that the young people of Kent should also play a role in determining the future of their county and country.

 

Therefore, we propose that the Chairman should write an open letter to the Prime Minister urging him to introduce legislation to reduce the voting age to 16.